十月，我和我哥哥离开了俄亥俄。驶往加利福尼亚 In October, my brother and I left Ohio. We were driving to California.
星期四的晚上，我们到了达拉斯 We got into Dallas on a Thursday night.
星期五早上，就在我喝着咖啡，吃着鸡蛋的时候 Friday morning, while I'm eating eggs and drinking coffee,
我找到了一份工作 I get a good job.
你知道...失业在这里应该是常态 I mean, it's, you know... all these people are supposedly out of work.
而我 ，到这里还没到一天 ，就有工作了 I'm not in town a half a day, and I've got a job.
天时地利人和，好像我命宿此地 Everything clicked. It's as if I was meant to be here.
我好几次离家出走，一次还是两次，我不记得了 I'd run away from home a couple of times. Once or twice. I don't know.
一切就是从这开始的，大卫刚好离家出走 And this all started, David is running away from home.
他拿着...我带着父亲的一把手枪和猎枪 And he takes... I took a pistol of my dad's and a shotgun.
偷了邻居的车子 Took a neighbor's car.
我潜入他家拿走了车钥匙 I had broken into their house and got the keys to it.
我糊里糊涂地 I forget exactly what it was.
来到了达拉斯 Ended up coming to Dallas.
我去上班的时候 ，同事都没来 I went to work and no one showed up.
毕竟是周末，有时候他们会来，有时候不来 Being a weekend, sometimes they worked, sometimes they didn't.
回家的路上，我的车没油了 On the way home, I ran out of gas.
我带着油罐，在马路上走... And as I was walking down the street with the gas can...
就在那时，一个人在我前面停车了 a person, at that time, pulled over.
我想他是看到我提着油罐 I guess since I had the gas can...
认为我没油了。我刚下车走了不超过100码 he figured I was out of gas. I wasn't 100 yards from the car.
正值感恩节周末，加油站都关了 And being Thanksgiving weekend, there was no gas stations open.
他停下来，问我要不要帮忙 He stopped and asked me if I needed any help.
我正在达拉斯的某条街上行驶着 I'm driving down some street somewhere in Dallas.
那时我刚16岁 I had just turned 16.
路边有个人，我想他是没油了 And there was a guy over there, I think he'd run out of gas...
于是我带着他去找些油，他就是兰德尔·亚当斯 I took him to get some gas. This was Randall Adams.
然后就跟着他到了他和他哥的住处 Ended up following him where him and his brother were staying.
那天晚上 Eventually, that evening...
我们出去喝了点啤酒 we went out and got some beer.
抽了点大麻之类的 We smoked a little marijuana and what have you.
还去看了场电影 Went to a movie that night.
星期六，我起来就去工作了 I get up, I go to work on Saturday.
我怎么会碰到这个孩子的？我也不知道 Why did I meet this kid? I don't know.
我怎么就在那个时候没油了？ Why did I run out of gas at that time?
我也不知道。但这恰恰发生了 I don't know. But it happened.
他们来接我，那天是12月21号 The day they picked me up, December 21.
他们带我上楼，至于哪一层，我不知道 They took me upstairs. What floor, I don't know.
他们带我进入一个小房间 But they put me in a little room.
盖斯·罗斯走了进来 Gus Rose walked in.
他有一份招供书，让我签 He had a confession there he wanted me to sign.
他说我得签 He said that I would sign.
他才不管我说什么，让我在纸上签字 He didn't give a damn what I said. I would sign this piece of paper.
我告诉他：我不签 I told him I couldn't.
我不知道你们想从我这要什么 "I don't know what the hell you people expect of me.
但是我是不可能签这玩意儿的 "But there's no way I can sign that."
他走出去，不到10分钟，又回来 He left. He came back in 10 minutes.
扔了一把手枪在桌上 And threw a pistol on the table.
让我瞧瞧，我就看了 Asked me to look at it. Which I did. I looked.
他让我拿起手枪 He asked me to pick it up.
我拒绝了，我不会听他的 I told him no, I wouldn't do that.
于是他威胁我 He threatened me.
我再次拒绝 Again, I told him no.
他用他的左轮手枪指着我 He pulled his service revolver on me.
我们目视对方...仿佛瞪了几个小时 We looked at each other for... To me, it seemed hours.
我不喜欢对着枪口的感觉 I do not like looking down the barrel of a pistol.
我也不喜欢被威胁 I do not like being threatened.
最后他明白他要么杀了我... When he finally saw that he would either have to kill me...
要么放弃让我签名... or forget the signature...
我想他还是选择放弃了，因为他把手枪收起来了 I guess he forgot the signature, because he put his pistol up.
他收起桌上的枪，然后摔门而出 He took the pistol on the table, put it up and stormed out.
我和他的交谈是轻松友好的 I had a casual, friendly conversation with him to start with...
就是想了解一下他的情况 to try to size him up...
了解一下他的好恶 to see what he liked and what he didn't like.
我立刻发现他似乎没有是非观 I found almost immediately that he didn't have much conscience.
他做完坏事，不会留在心上 Anything he had done, it never really bothered him.
他讲述他做过的那些事... He had done other things that he told me about...
似乎对他的心情没有一丝影响 that didn't seem to bother him in the least.
他面无表情 He showed no expression whatsoever.
仿佛聊聊墙的颜色，或是枪杀警察 It's just like he's sitting here talking about the color of this wall...
对他来说没有什么区别 or the shooting of the police officer.
对我所有问题他都漠然置之 He showed no reaction to any of the questions.
他有点过度想要展示自己的清白了 He almost overacted his innocence.
坚称自己什么都没干 He protested he hadn't done anything.
我们怎么会把他抓起来，不可理喻 Couldn't imagine why we were bringing him in.
他没有反抗 He didn't fight or he didn't resist.
他只是坚称自己是无辜的 He just protested his innocence.
我告诉他们星期六发生的事，我遇见这个小子的事 I told them what happened that Saturday, that I had met this kid.
不断的重复 I kept telling them the same thing.
他们不愿相信我说的 They didn't want to believe me.
他们不准我打电话 Never once was I allowed a phone call.
也没有律师 Never once was an attorney there.
不知道过了多久 I don't know how long this had been.
两包烟抽完，又过了好久 I had smoked two packs of cigarettes and had been out for a long time.
伍德没有把罚单带下车 Wood didn't take his ticket book out of the car.
他把它留在前座上了 He left it in the car on the front seat...
这意味着他并没准备写罚单 which indicates that he was not going to write a ticket.
他可能就是想让他们把前车灯打开 What he was probably going to do was have them turn on the headlights.
他不知道那辆车是偷来的 He didn't know that the car was stolen.
我想，他可能只会 I think that there's a very good chance...
检查一下驾照 that he was going to check the driver's license...
并告诉他把前灯打开，然后就放他们走 and tell him to turn on his headlights, and let the guy be on his way.
伍德警官的妻子给他买了件防弹衣 Officer Wood's wife had purchased him...
还放在圣诞树下 a bulletproof vest and had it under the Christmas tree.
也可能先收起来了，准备到圣诞节再给他 Or had it stored away, to give to him at Christmastime.
他的搭档是第一个 His partner was one of the first female police officers...
被委任巡逻任务的女警官之一 that was assigned to patrol.
他们从西北局过来，就是按时接班的巡警 They were from the Northwest Station. Just patrol officers following the clock.
值夜班之类的 Working the graveyard shift and everything.
他们刚从一个快餐店出来，女的买了杯麦芽汁 They had been into a fast-food restaurant. And she had a malt.
这辆车开过，里面有两个人，没有开车灯 This car came by, these two dudes in it, with no lights on.
这个问题一点也不严重 It wasn't a serious problem...
但他停下车，打开警灯示意对方停车 but he just pulled up, turned his lights on to stop him.
只是为了警告他没开灯 Just to warn the man that his lights were off.
他下车走了过去 Got out of the car and walked up.
就在他接近车窗的时候，司机... Before he got to the window, where the driver was...
他到了正确的位置 he was in the right position.
那人转过身来 This man just turned around and just...
拿着一支小口径手枪 with a little small-caliber pistol.
第一枪打在了他手臂上 The first shot hit him in the arm.
他拿着手电筒，子弹击中了手电筒，然后打进他的手臂 He had his flashlight. It hit the flashlight and went into his arm.
第二枪击正中他胸口 The next one hit him right in the chest.
警官倒在行车道上 The officer falls in the street and he was in the first traffic lane.
他躺在那，失血至死 He lay there and bled to death.
她下车 So she's out of the car.
对着逃离的嫌犯打空了弹匣 She empties her pistol at the fleeing suspect...
然后跑过去救他 and she runs to his aid.
流程规定你应该通过电台叫救护车 Procedure says you grab the radio and call for an ambulance.
常识是这样的，可如果你遇上这种事，会怎么做？ Common sense would tell you that. But what do you do?
那个时候，她只是被吓坏了，不知所措 And that time, she's so... just tore down.
血，到处是血 And the blood. An enormous amount of blood.
我们又怎么能再追究她犯的错呢？ How do we hold her responsible for not following procedure?
可最重要的是，她没记下车牌号码 But the main thing was, she couldn't remember the license number.
当我们开始整理信息和线索时 When we started putting facts together on how much information we had...
我们一无所获 from the leads we had, we found out we didn't have anything.
只知道那是辆蓝色的Vega车 The only thing that we knew we were looking for was a blue Vega.
我们大概把德州每一辆已经注册的Vega车 Probably every Vega that was registered in the state of Texas...
都拦住，检查 was stopped and checked.
我们收到有的人报警说 We had people calling the office...
我有一辆Vega，虽然不是蓝色的 saying, "I've got a Vega and it's not blue.
但你能来确认一下吗 "But would you come out and be sure to check it.
确认跟我没关系，因为我不想再被停车检查了 "Be sure it's not mine, because I don't want to get stopped anymore.
我害怕 "I'm afraid."
如果你是授命追查一个谋杀案的探员 If you're the investigator assigned to the murder...
没有目击者会让你非常沮丧 you get frustrated with other witnesses.
但是如果有一个目击者正好是警察的话 But when you got a police officer that witnessed it...
你应该觉得警察不会像她知道的这么少 you expect that they would know a little more than she knew.
根据程序 Procedure.
如果两人一组执勤，当一个人靠近车辆时 When there's a two-person unit, when either one approaches the car...
另一人就得在右后侧守候 the other positions himself to the right rear...
那里能看清车里的一举一动 where they can watch all the activity in the car.
如果左侧的人遇到了麻烦 And if the man on the left of the driver gets in trouble...
他的搭档就能出手相救 their partner is in a position to help.
我们推测，那个时候... Speculation was, at the time...
他的搭档正坐在车里 that his partner was sitting in the car.
这就是有出入的地方 That's where the discrepancies were.
时间上的问题，或者她到底有没有下车... Just a matter of time, and whether or not she was out of the car...
是完全下了车，还是只探出了半身 completely out of the car, or partially in the car...
还是只是坐在那，连门都没开 or just sitting in there with the door closed.
我们觉得对破案可能有用的事 And the thing I think we did then that really helped...
实际上没起到任何作用 It didn't really help anything at all. Let me back up.
但过程是有趣的，虽然花了好多钱 But it was interesting, and it cost a lot of money...
但是是值得的，因为你必须抓住每一个线索 but it was worthwhile. You got to cover every trail.
从加州来了个人 A guy out of California...
我忘了他的名字，他是催眠专家 I don't recall his name, he was an expert in hypnosis.
他过来给她做了催眠，并问了些问题 He came down, hypnotized her and questioned her.
有趣的是 What was interesting was...
她对那辆车的任何细节都记不清了 she couldn't remember anything particularly about the car.
她记得买了杯麦芽汁 She remembered getting a malt.
他们去了趟快餐店，是一家WhataBurger They'd stopped in the fast-food. It was a Whataburger.
这些她都记得，包括勒令停车 They remembered all that, and stopping the car.
在路上案发的部分，她却什么都不记得了 Got back on the road. She didn't remember anything.
但是她记那天夜里早些时候他们处理过的 But she remembered a license number off a hit-and-run vehicle...
一件肇事逃逸案件的车牌号 that they had worked earlier in the night.
圣诞节马上就要到了 It was getting awfully close to Christmas.
在达拉斯，我们破杀警案的速度从来没有这么慢过 We'd never gone that long in Dallas without clearing a murder of an officer.
过去也有同事被杀的，但都很快告破 We'd had several killed, but we'd cleared them pretty quick.
这个案件大概过去一个月了，将近一个月 And this case had gone a month, or nearly a month...
我们还是没破案 and we still hadn't cleared it.
终于在德州的维多，案件有了突破 We finally got the break that cleared it. It came out of Vidor, Texas.
维多居民，卡尔文·坎宁汉先生的家被盗了 Mr. Calvin Cunningham, who lives in Vidor, had his home broken into...
他的水星 Comet车被偷走了 and his little Mercury Comet stolen.
我们觉得好像是大卫做的案 We felt as though David had committed that crime.
他玩失踪玩了几天，我们找不到他 For several days, though, he was missing. We couldn't find him.
一天下午，在维多的北大街上 It was one afternoon, one of our officers spotted Cunningham's car...
我们的一个警官看到了坎宁汉的车 on North Main Street, here in Vidor.
大卫弃车而逃 David abandoned the vehicle and ran on foot.
我们得到了一些信息 We started getting little bits of information, though...
在达拉斯，大卫曾涉嫌枪击警察 that David had been involved in a shooting in Dallas of a police officer.
我们得到的都是第三手，第四手的传言 We would always get third-hand rumor, fourth-hand rumor.
我们找到他以前的同伙，打电话询问 So we went back to a few of his other comrades in crime, we could call them.
他们说，“我们觉得他只是吹吹牛 They said, "We thought he was just bragging.
我们从没把他当回事” "We didn't really take him seriously."
我坐着在看晚间新闻，应该是夜间新闻 Sitting down, watching the evening news, well, the night news.
我爸爸在沙发上睡着了 My father was asleep on the couch.
听到有人敲门，我去开，是大卫·哈里斯 Heard somebody knocking at the door. It was David Harris.
我请他进来 I let him in. He came in.
他站在我椅子的旁边 He was standing there beside my chair...
新闻正播着一起达拉斯枪击警察案 and a news broadcast advertised about a police officer shot in Dallas.
就那时，他上蹿下跳的发誓 Right then and there he starts swearing up and down.
他说，“我对天发誓，我打死了那头猪” He says, "I swear to God, I shot that fucking pig."
他说，“就是我杀的他” He says, "I'm the one that killed him."
在达拉斯附近，警察截停了他们 Somewhere around Dallas, they got pulled over.
他说因为警察在调查一辆被盗的车 I think he said because they were checking out a stolen car.
他说警察让他靠边停车 He said that the cop had pulled him over...
然后走近车窗 and walked up to the window.
警察走过来时，他摇下车窗 When the cop came, he rolled down the window...
拿出枪打中了他 and just pulled the gun up and shot him.
他不停地发誓 He swore up and down.
大吵大闹，上蹦下跳 He made a big scene about it. Jumped up and down...
他想让所有人都听他的 trying to get anybody and everybody...
“是我杀了那个杂种” to listen to him. "Yeah, I shot that son of a gun."
每个人都说，“是你干的，大卫，你厉害” And everybody said, "Sure you did, David. Sure."
“我对天发誓是我杀了那个条子” "I swear to God I killed that cop."
我问他去没去过达拉斯，他说没去过 I asked him if he'd been to Dallas. He denied having been to Dallas.
我问他有没有对人开过枪 I asked him if he'd been involved in any shooting...
或者有什么枪击案的经历，他否认 or knew anything about a shooting, and he denied that to the end.
这符合大卫的性格。就算他真的干过什么 Which is fairly consistent with David. Even if he had some involvement...
他对付你的第一选择就是死不承认 his first way that he always treats you, he would deny.
但是如果他觉得你已经知道是他干的 Then, if he felt as though you really knew he had done it...
他就会说实话 then he would be truthful with you.
他给我一把手枪，.22口径的 He give me a pistol, a .22 caliber pistol.
他给我看，说，“我就是用这把枪做了他” He showed it to me. He says, "That's the one I shot him with."
他把枪给我 He gave me the pistol.
我也没有想太多 I didn't really consider it that much.
我确信就是他杀了那警察 I don't guess I really realized he did shoot the cop.
他带我到一片沼泽地 He led me to a swampy area...
离他在罗斯城的住所大概几百码 several hundred yards behind his residence in Rose City.
在水下找到一只袜子，他说，“就是它了” There was a sock under water. He said, "There it is."
袜子上涂满了鞋油 And he had sprayed this sock with boot oil.
当我们取回枪的时候 When we retrieved the gun...
我说，“我最好处理一下，要不就生锈了” I said, "I better do something with it. It's going to rust up."
即使我在达拉斯庭审看到这把枪时 Even the time that I saw the gun at the trial in Dallas...
它仍和刚从沼泽拿出来时一样好 it looked just as good as when I'd taken it out of the swamp.
他把枪维护的很好 So he had taken pretty good care of it,
尽管他确实把它扔进水里了 even though he did put it under water.
他会想 He got to thinking...
“我一直都说这是我干的，为了让他们相信我没干 "I didn't do that and I've been saying that I did...
“那我应该知道些什么，我应该告诉他们真相 "and I'm in over my head now, I better tell them what happened.
“因为如果我不告诉他们些什么 "Because they are going to send me to the penitentiary for life...
“他们会把我关进监狱关到死” "if I don't tell them what really happened."
所以他说，“我只不过是吹牛 So he said, "I am just bragging about this.
“不是我干的，但案发时我在，我知道是谁干的” "I didn't do it, but I was there, and I know who did do it."
然后，当然，他就能摆脱罪责 And, of course, he came clean then.
他尽力不撒谎 He tried to hide no facts.
看起来完全就是一个好孩子 He just seemed like a friendly kid.
我和他像朋友一样聊了15到20分钟 I may have talked to him 15 or 20 minutes on a friendly basis...
就是为了让他保持这种友好地态度 just to keep him friendly.
我们可不想让他生气 We didn't want to make him mad.
但我们也不想听他自己的想法 But we didn't want him to tell us something that he thought.
我们想让他说出那些我们知道的 We wanted him to tell us what we knew.
没过多久我就发现 It wasn't very long until I realized that what he knew...
他说的确实是真的，和我们知道的吻合 was the facts of the case, and it matched with what we knew.
这一定是真的 And it had to be right.
我讲述的整个故事是这样的 The story that I told was...
大概是晚上12点，所以那是第二天了 It was like 12:00 something. So it was the next day...
我们被勒令停车 early in the morning. We were stopped.
我们停车之后，那个警官走过来 When we were stopped, the officer came up to the car...
要求出示驾驶证，然后他就开枪了 and asked to see the driver's license, and he just started shooting.
我不知道为什么，感觉时间似乎停下了 I don't know why, but it's always seemed like time just stopped.
时间停滞了 It didn't seem like any time passed.
就是那样，砰！ It just seemed like it was, boom!
时间停了之类的，我也不知道是什么情况 Time stopped or something. I don't know what it is.
好像一切一闪而过 It's like a flash.
我们回到他的家 We went back to his room.
他本应问他哥我能不能借宿一晚 He was supposed to ask his brother if I could stay there that night.
可他说他哥不喜欢外人借宿 But he said that his brother don't like to do that.
不管怎样，他进屋之后就没再出来。我也就走了 Anyhow, he went in and never came back out. So I left.
最后开到了一个停车场 Ended up pulling into a parking lot.
我在车里睡一会 I slept there I think, for a while.
然后，终于，第二天早上，很早之类的... Then, finally, the next morning, early or something...
我上了45号州际公路 I found my way to Freeway 45.
就回家了 And went back home.
和他混了一会，我发现他有个军火库 After riding around with him, I come to find out he's got an arsenal.
他有手枪，来福枪 He's got pistols. He's got rifles.
他拿着手枪挥舞着，像这样 He's got this pistol. He's waving it around. He's doing this.
我告诉他，“嘿，能不能把枪放到储物箱里？” I told him, "Hey, why don't you put those in the trunk of the car?"
我们去了一家饭店 We stopped at a restaurant...
买了三明治在车里吃 and ordered and ate sandwiches in the car.
我买了6罐啤酒 I bought a six-pack of beer.
他又把手枪拿了出来 He pulled this pistol back out.
我问他拿枪出来干吗 And I ask him why he got the pistol out.
他像是笑了笑 And he kind of laughed...
摇下了车窗，开始朝车外开枪 rolled the window down, and fired the pistol outside the car.
我告诉他请把枪收起来 And I asked him to please put it up.
我记得他把枪递给我，我把它放在驾驶座下面 And I think he handed me the pistol, and I put it under the driver's seat.
他想去看电影，我们就去了电影院 He wanted to go to the movies, so we went to the movies.
到那的时候，大概七点 We got there probably at about 7:00.
他挑的片子 He was the one that had picked the movie out.
我管这个叫免下车电影，啤酒电影 I call them drive-in movies, beer-drinking movies.
50美分一位，但积少成多 $0.50, put them together and make a bunch of money...
很多人在那不醉不归 with a bunch of people getting drunk at the drive-in.
-你要承认吗 -请坐吧 -Are you going to concede? -Please, sit down...
这是什么，布鲁克斯先生？ What is this, Mr. Brooks?
-是烟灰缸啊，谁都知道 -错！ -Anybody can see it's an ashtray. -Wrong!
每个人都知道这是破墙工具！ Anybody can plainly see it's a wall-breaker!
我正在替你说话呢！ I'm trying to speak for you!
我在替你们所有人说话！我是学生代表！ I'm trying to speak for all of you! I am the student body!
第一部片子演了一半，我们看了后半 The show that was on was half over. We watched half of the one show...
我们开始看第二部片子的前段 we started watching the first part of the second show.
我们渴望胜利，胜利就在眼前 We want a victory, and we're gonna get it.
我对第二部片子没什么兴趣 I didn't really care for the second feature...
是个R级片，拉拉队长那类的 which is an R-rated, cheerleader-type thing.
我也不知道那是什么 I don't know what it was.
能来点红酒吗？ May I have some wine?
真棒，罗斯，我不知道你还会做菜 It's good, Ross. I didn't know you could cook.
可不是吗 It is good, isn't it?
快试试我做的芹菜蛋黄酱 You got to try my celery remoulade.
不 No.
我告诉他我想走了 I told him I wanted to leave.
“这片没什么意思，咱们走吧” "I don't really care to sit here and watch this. Let's go."
他的举动很奇怪，他想看完的。但我们还是走了 He's acting strange, he wanted to watch the end. Anyway, we left.
我们开回达拉斯，到了汽车旅馆 We drove back towards Dallas and we drove to the motel.
有一家小店，我进去买了一包烟 There's a little store. I bought a pack of cigarettes...
和一份报纸 and a newspaper.
我出来时候，那小子还在那 And when I left, this kid was still sitting there.
我靠在车边和他聊了几分钟 I leaned against the car and we talked to him for a few minutes...
我告诉他既然他在找工作 and I told him that since he was looking for a job...
而我这正好没人干活 and there hadn't been anybody at work...
问他是否愿意明早过来一趟 that if he wanted to stop back Monday morning...
这样他可以跟我一起去工作地点 that sure, he could ride out and follow me to work...
他可以和老板谈谈，说不定就能得到一份工作 and he could talk to the boss. And he would probably get a job.
我告诉他如果他愿意，我星期一可以接他 I told him that I would catch him Monday morning if he showed up.
我告诉他上班的时间，然后就走了 I told him what time I went to work. Why, I left.
我在商店逛了逛就回家了 I walked around the store and went to the house.
进屋的时候，电视还开着，我哥在睡觉 When I walked in, the television was on and my brother was sleeping.
我不在的时候他一直待在家 He had been home this whole time that I had been gone.
我做了一个三明治 So I made me a sandwich...
我坐在那看完了Carol Burnett节目 and sat there and watched the end of The Carol Burnett Show.
然后新闻开始了，我看了一刻钟 When it went off, the news came on and I watched 15 minutes of it.
就这些。关了电视我就去睡了 And that was it. I turned the TV off and went to sleep.
终于，速记员进来了 Finally, they bring in a stenographer.
她坐下来听我讲 She sits down and I run the story.
我告诉他们周六发生的事 I tell them what happened this Saturday.
她离开，开始打字 She leaves. She types.
25到30分钟之后，她回来了 She comes back in about 25 to 30 minutes...
带着我的陈述的复印件 with a copy of this statement.
我浏览了一遍 I read through it...
基本上和我想要的一样 and when it was basically what I liked...
我就签名了 yes, I signed it.
他承认曾开着车子在Inwood路朝右拐 He admits driving the car and taking a right on Inwood Road...
下了了35号州际公路 off of Interstate 35...
或者是183高速 or Highway 183.
他承认他是开车的 He admits driving it.
在Inwood路右拐之后 After he made his right turn on Inwood Road...
陈述记录就到此结束 this is where our statement ends.
他说，之后的事他就记不起来了 He says he does not remember anything after that.
关于枪杀，他忘的一干二净 He didn't remember anything about a shooting.
他也记不得有警察拦他这回事 He didn't remember anything about a police officer stopping him.
他很方便的只忘掉了这一部分 That part of his mind just conveniently went blank.
他记得开过车 He remembered driving the car...
他记得开往枪击案现场... and he remembered approaching the scene of the shooting...
后面的就全忘了 and then, from that point, he blacks out...
进了汽车旅馆之前的事什么也记不起来 and can't remember until he gets to the motel room...
这之间大概有10分钟，除此以外他都记得 which is some 10 minutes later. Everything else he remembers vividly.
这记忆消失的十分“方便” And that's just a convenient memory lapse, is all that is.
达拉斯县早间新闻 The Morning News in Dallas County...
说我签了一份招供书 stated that I had signed a confession...
我承认杀了罗伯特·伍德 that I had confessed to the killing of Robert Wood...
他们找到了凶手，准备行动了 and they had their killer and they were ready to go with it.
我签的记录文件 The statement that I signed for Dallas County...
根本就不是 was never...
他们说的什么招供书 and never would have been anything as "a confession."
可是他们就是这么宣传的 But yet, they labeled it as such.
当然，我没法争辩，因为我根本不知道 Of course, I couldn't dispute this because I didn't even know about it.
我什么新闻也看不了，整整两周我对外界一无所知 I heard no news. I knew nothing for two weeks.
他们让我不接触任何人 They kept me completely away from everybody.
我们和她谈了好几次，希望她能想起些什么 Several times we talked to her, trying to get her to recall.
你有没有想起车牌号码？ "Do you recall the license number?
有没有想起任何有用的信息？ Do you recall anything to help us?"
她很好地描述了一下车子 And she gave us a pretty good description of the car.
她的描述和事实很接近 As it turned out, her description of the car was real close.
结果发现，我们找的不是蓝色Vega车 It comes out that we weren't looking for a blue Vega.
我们要找的是水星Comet车 We were looking for a Comet.
不用说，我们的人力都浪费在 No telling the man-hours we literally wasted...
寻找蓝色Vega车上了 looking for a blue Vega.
Vega和水星Comet还是有区别的 There is a difference between a Vega and a Mercury Comet.
现实是，我们收到的 So in reality, in regard to cars...
所有关于车子打进来的电话 every piece of information that was called in...
都是报告Comet的情况，不对，我的意思是Vega they were calling in regard to a Comet, I mean, a Vega.
打电话进来的群众都很真诚，尽力帮忙 The people that called in were truthful, trying to help.
他们是真的想帮忙 They really were trying to help.
只不过我们的信息错了 We just all had the wrong information.
大卫·哈里斯偷的车子上并没有弹痕 There wasn't a mark on this car David Harris had stolen.
一个都没有 Wasn't a mark.
你觉得一辆车静静地停着 Do you think a car sitting still...
开始启动，缓缓加速上坡 starting from a stop, heading up a hill...
一个女人站在车正后方 with a woman standing right behind it...
这可是个相当棒的射击位置 that is a very good shot with a pistol...
她至少应该能打中一次，可她没有 She should have hit the damn thing one time. She didn't.
我多么希望她一枪崩了那个司机的脑袋 I wish to God she had blown whoever was driving the car's head off...
因为这样我就不会在这了 because I wouldn't have been here.
我回去过好几次 I went back several times...
和坎宁汉先生，我俩仔细的找 and with Mr. Cunningham, he and I both searched...
没有在车上找到任何被枪击中的痕迹 and could find no indications that that car had been hit by gunfire.
后来，他找到了一个地方 Later on, he finally found one place...
感觉像子弹留下的裂缝 that he felt as though that a bullet had been creased on it.
但在他告诉我之前，他的女儿把车撞了 But before he could tell me about it, his daughter totaled the car out.
彻底撞毁了 Totally demolished it.
我干过些入室盗窃，抢劫 I was doing burglaries and some robberies...
还有一些类似这样的劫财的事 and a few possession cases and stuff like that.
我想他就是找到我，对我说： I think he just came up to me and said:
“你是伊迪丝·詹姆斯吧？我想谈谈关于我的案子” "Are you Edith James? I'd like to talk about my case."
我记得就是这样的 That's the way I remember it, anyhow.
我说，“当然可以，哪种类型的案子？“ And I said, "Sure." And I said, "What sort of a case is it?"
他说，“是最严重的谋杀，会判死刑”，然后我说 He said, "It's a capital murder." And I said...
我心里想 Inside, I kind of thought:
我虽没处理过种案子，但和他聊聊没问题 "I've never done one, but I can surely talk to him about it."
我不喜欢被别人看成是那种 I hate to be considered...
那种完全相信自己的客户的傻子 some kind of dummy that believes in the innocence of her clients.
很多人觉得，“一个女律师 A lot of people think, "A woman lawyer...
“她肯定会蠢到什么都相信” "she's bound to stupidly believe anything she's told."
我承认，我确实是个容易上当的人 I admit, I'm sort of a gullible person.
但从另一方面来说，我见过很多 But on the other hand, I've seen an awful lot of people...
承认有罪或被判有罪的人 who admitted guilt or were found guilty...
我觉得，除了兰德尔之外，我遇到的那些人确实都是有罪的 and all but Randall turned out to be guilty, in my opinion.
道格拉斯·穆德在法庭上百战百胜 Douglas Mulder had a perfect win record.
我记得他作为检察官一次都没输过 I believe he resigned from the D.A. 's office without any defeats.
他就是个传奇 That's why he's legendary.
在我的记忆里，穆德所有说过的话 Everything, as I recall, that Mulder ever said...
都是在自吹穆德有多棒 was about what a great guy Mulder was...
他定下的这些罪是多么的令人赞叹 and how marvelous it was that he was getting all these convictions.
我希望有另外的帮手，于是我拉上了丹尼斯 I wanted somebody else in on it, so I got Dennis interested in it...
丹尼斯法庭经验比我丰富 because Dennis has a lot more trial experience...
他几乎赢了所有的陪审团案子 and Dennis wins practically all of his jury cases.
而且丹尼斯对兰德尔·亚当斯的案子非常热情 And Dennis was very enthusiastic about the Randall Adams case...
他总说，“这个案子我们能赢 because he kept saying, "This is one we can win.
“他们没有什么有力的证据，只有大卫·哈里斯的话” "They don't have substantial evidence. All they've got is David Harris."
为了争取更多时间，我准备了一项延期诉讼的动议 I prepared a motion for a continuance to get more time to try the case...
为此我必须安排好接下来几周的日程 and in doing that had to lay out my schedule for several weeks...
包括我要在得克萨斯，维多的调查的具体时间 as to exactly what time I'd be in Vidor, Texas.
维多是3k党在得州的总部 Vidor is the headquarters of the Ku Klux Klan for the state of Texas.
这是个黑人不愿在此过夜的城市 It's a city where black people will not spend the night.
黑人甚至不会在这里停车加油 Black people won't even stop there to get their car filled with gasoline.
而且，当时维多的居民似乎认为 And furthermore, the people of Vidor were under the impression...
被杀的警察是个黑人 that the policeman that was murdered was a black man.
我不得不在路上的汽车旅馆过夜 I had to stop at a motel on the way.
我和我的妻子一间房，那位女律师在另一个房间 My wife and I stayed in one room, the lady lawyer in another room.
我们计划起个大早，再去维多开始调查 We arranged to get up very early, go to Vidor and start our investigation.
大约早上6点 At about 6:00 in the morning...
女律师伊迪丝·詹姆斯就起床了 Edith James, the lady lawyer, got up...
她在找我 and was looking for me.
她到停车场找我，进了一间屋 While she went out in the parking lot to find me, she went to one room...
停车场的人告诉她： and someone in the parking lot said:
“如果你要找那个达拉斯来的律师 "If you're looking for the lawyer from Dallas...
“他就在房间...”，然后他告诉了她房间号 "he's in room..." And he gave her the room number.
我立刻察觉到 I immediately began to suspect...
我刚刚到维多附近，就已经被跟踪了 from the time I was that close to Vidor, I was being followed and observed.
道格·穆德比我早一周去过那 Doug Mulder had been there the week before I had...
他告诉维多的人说我是 and had told the people in Vidor that I was...
东方教育出来的民权律师 an Eastern-educated civil liberties attorney...
说我是来抹黑大卫·哈里斯的 and that I was down there to discredit David Harris.
别人建议我见一个 And then I had been recommended to see one particular policeman...
破了这个案子的警察 who had been led to the solution of this case.
我当时的感觉是 And I had the impression...
他就是维多唯一值得我信赖的警察 that he was the one honest policeman I could trust in Vidor.
他告诉我，警察被杀之后 He told me that after the policeman was killed...
大卫·哈里斯回到了维多 David Harris went back to Vidor.
在被捕之前，犯了一桩抢劫案 But before he was arrested, he committed a robbery down there...
在一个类似7-11的便利店，放倒了一个人 and had someone on the floor of a 7-Eleven type of store...
用一把霰弹枪抵着她的喉咙 with a shotgun at her throat.
回到那里 Got back there...
用一把.22步枪抢了欧班尼翁的7-11便利店 robbed O'Bannion's 7-Eleven with a.22 rifle.
还犯了一些盗窃案等诸如此类的案子 Committed some other burglaries and what have you.
这段时间我还在缓刑期，少年犯缓刑期 All this time I was on probation. Juvenile probation.
最终我为维多的这些案子去自首了 Eventually I turned myself in for this stuff in Vidor.
我想我认罪了，具体怎样我记不起了 I think I made a confession. I can't even remember exactly.
总之他们告诉我是这样的 So I'm told I did.
他说他抢了商店，我们都笑了 He had told us he had robbed stores, and we laughed.
“是是是，我们知道你抢了” "Sure, we know you have."
我给了他一顶帽子 I'd given him one of my hats.
邦妮和克莱德一样的老式帽子，让他歪着戴上 It's an old Bonnie-and-Clyde-looking hat, it's turned sideways.
我们说，“我们给你画上胡子，带着那把枪进来 We said, "We'll draw you a little mustache, walk in with that gun.
“没人会认得出你来” "Nobody'll know who you are."
大概凌晨2点，我睡觉的时候电话响了 About 2:00 that morning, I was asleep and the phone rings.
我说，“喂？” I said, "Hello?"
他说，“是大卫” “大卫·哈里斯吗？” He said, "This is David." "This is David Harris?"
他说，“是，我下手了。你能来接我吗？” "Yeah," he said, "I did it. Will you come and get me?"
我说，“我才不来，我在睡觉呢” I said, "I'm not coming to get you. I'm asleep."
他没有什么良心 He didn't have a conscience.
如果我做错了什么，我会有点不安 If I do something bad, it kind of gets to me.
我会觉得，“唉，我不该这么做，这样不好” I feel, "Shucks, I shouldn't have done that. I feel bad about it."
但他不会放在心上，完全不会 But it didn't bother him. Didn't bother him at all.
我们问了得州，维多的检察官... We asked the D.A. In Vidor, Texas...
问他们会怎么处理大卫，他们说 what they were going to do with little David. They said:
“我们会把他送到得州青年委员会” "We'll send him to the Texas Youth Council."
然后我们试着问他 And we sort of tried to inquire...
有一起抢劫案用的是同一把手枪 didn't he think it was strange that there was a robbery committed...
难道他不觉得奇怪吗 with that same pistol.
是大卫·哈里斯的手枪 And here it was David Harris' pistol...
大卫·哈里斯的车接了兰德尔·亚当斯 David Harris' automobile that picked up Randall Adams.
这难道不可疑 Didn't he think it was a little odd...
所有这些所谓谋杀的证物 that all the utensils for committing this so-called murder...
都是大卫·哈里斯处理过的，他却没有任何嫌疑 were furnished by David Harris who got off scot-free...
反而成了案件的目击证人？ and was being a witness for the prosecution?
他只能说，“在得州，维多，我们不这么想问题 And all he said was, "We don't feel that way in Vidor, Texas.
“我们这的人不这样 "Our people just are not that...
“我们没那么愿意去毁了一个孩子的一生” "We're not that keen on ruining a young man's life."
我试着提出一个连环作案的理论 I tried to introduce the crime spree theory.
大卫·哈里斯参与了这一连串犯罪 The theory that David Harris was on this series of crimes...
包括谋杀警察之前和之后的案子 both before and after the killing of the policeman.
他才是那个 That he would be the person who had...
心中满怀恶意，具有杀人动机的人 the heart filled with malice most apt to commit a murder.
但是法官不让我引入任何其他案子 But the judge would not allow me to introduce any of those crimes.
他们已经抓了一个28岁的嫌犯 They'd had a 28-year-old man.
唯一的另一个嫌疑人只有16岁 The only alternative would be prosecuting a 16-year-old...
根据得州法律16岁是不能判死刑的 that could not be given the death penalty under Texas law...
而28岁就可以 where our 28-year-old man could.
我认为，这就是他们的主要动机 That's always been the predominant motive, in my opinion...
就是必须要判兰德尔·亚当斯死刑 for having a death penalty case against Randall Adams.
不是因为他们证据确凿 Not that they had him so dead to rights.
而只是因为他的年龄符合死刑要求 But just that he was a convenient age.
法官应该说过 The judge is supposed to have said...
就是唐·梅特卡夫这个法官被爆出 That Don Metcalfe is supposed to have said...
对丹尼斯·怀特的妻子，吉纳特·怀特说过 to Jeanette White, Dennis White's wife...
“没人在乎，他不过是个流浪汉” "What do you care? He's only a drifter."
我的家庭教育 I grew up in a family...
让我对执法人员有极大尊重 where I was taught a great respect for law enforcement.
我真切的明白我们的警察 I became acutely aware of the dangers...
和执法人员每天经受的危险 that police officers go through, law enforcement officials go through...
我觉得大众不太明白这一点 that I think much of the public is not really sensitive to.
我父亲是FBI探员 My father was an FBI man.
赶上了做FBI最倒霉的时期 Probably at the worst possible time to be in the FBI.
那是在1932年到1935的芝加哥 510 It was from 1932 to 1935 in Chicago.
迪林杰被杀的那晚，他就在比沃格拉夫剧院 He was at the Biograph Theater the night that Dillinger was killed.
那晚正值夏季，芝加哥几乎没有空调 It was a hot summer evening. Little air conditioning in Chicago...
人们在外面散步 and people were out for a walk.
父亲告诉我，迪林杰被杀之后 My father would tell me that when Dillinger was killed...
过了没有两分钟 within a matter of two minutes...
路人就开始用手帕蘸他的血 people were dipping their handkerchiefs in the blood...
留作纪念 to get souvenirs.
他栩栩如生的记得一个女士 And he vividly remembered one lady...
她就只有一张报纸，举着它说 who, all she had was a newspaper, held it up and said:
“我是堪萨斯城唯一一个沾了迪林格的血的女人” "I bet I'm the only lady from Kansas City with John Dillinger's blood."
他告诉我，著名的“红衣女人” He told me, the "Woman in Red"...
穿的是一件橙色裙子，当然，这是细枝末节 she had on an orange dress. This is trivia, okay?
在灯光下看起来像是红色的，但实际上是橙色 It looked red under the lights. He said it was really orange.
她因为指认了迪林杰，成为了“红衣女人”出名 So she got to be known as the "Lady in Red" that fingered Dillinger.
父亲说，她实际上应该是“橙衣女人” He said, "It was really the Lady in Orange."
作为奖励，她得到了一件毛皮外套 As her reward, she got a new fur coat...
还有一张回她罗马尼亚老家的单程机票 and a one-way ticket back to her native Romania.
他的整个故事从头开始就晚了两个小时 His whole story from the start was two hours late.
我是在上午十点左右见到这个小子的 I met this kid at around 10:00 in the morning.
他说我们是在中午见的 He says we met at noon.
我说我们是在2点或3点经过了野马保龄球馆 I say we were at the Bronco Bowl at 2:00 or 3:00.
而他说那是在5点或6点 He says it was 5:00 or 6:00.
我们讲的事情都重合，但他的故事全都晚了两个小时 Everything that we did coincide with, he was two hours late.
两小时后，入夜后两小时 Two hours later. Two hours into the night.
他的证词说... His testimony is that...
我们从Inwood大道的高速路上下来时 as we were getting off the freeway on Inwood Avenue...
他说是我在开车 he stated that I'm driving the car...
我们被警察叫停了 that we're pulled over.
他害怕了，吓的摊在座位上 He gets scared and he slumps down in the seat of the car.
警察走过来的时候 That, as the officer walks up...
他亮了手电，我摇下车窗 and shines his flashlight, and I roll down my window...
掏出手枪把他打死了 I pull the pistol out and blow this man away.
他的证词说 His testimony is...
到汽车旅馆的时候 when I finally do drive to the motel...
我出来，告诉他，“别担心 I get out. I tell him, "Don't worry about it.
“忘了这件事就好” "Forget this ever happened."
这太扯淡了 That's crazy.
警察是在12:30被杀的 The police officer was killed at 12:30...
那是他最后一次见到我之后的2个半小时 which is about two and a half hours after he last saw me.
就在他走进汽车旅馆之前 Just before he went into the motel...
他穿过旅馆的前院 he'd gone across the motel courtyard...
那有个小商店，他买了些烟 to a little store over there and bought some cigarettes.
我本要去问问店员是否记得他 And I was supposed to go and find out if the man remembered him...
10点前来这买过烟 coming in there just before 10:00 to buy the cigarettes.
我过了很久才到沃兹堡那里 I didn't get over there to Fort Worth for a long time.
我们从他家人那里拿了一些他没穿囚服的照片 We got some pictures from his family that didn't show him in jail clothes.
我拿照片给收银台的人看 I took the pictures in to show them to the man behind the counter.
他相当合作，想帮我们 He was very cooperative and he wanted to help us.
可他确实...他说： But he honestly... He said:
“我对这个人一点印象都没有 "I don't remember anything about this guy coming in there...
“我记不清是哪天晚上 "I couldn't tell one night from another.
“可能是那晚，也可能不是” Might have been that night or another.
“因为来买烟的人太多了” "Cause they were always coming for cigarettes."
他哥 His brother...
起初说 at first...
在谋杀发生的时候，他在家 was saying that at the time of the murder, that he was home...
看电视上的摔跤比赛 watching... I believe it was a wrestling match on TV.
他说，“我和弟弟都喜欢摔跤，他和我在一起 And he said, "Me and my brother likes wrestling matches. He was with me.
“我的弟弟，兰德尔整晚都和我在一起” "Randall, my brother, was with me all night long.
“不可能是他干的” "He couldn't have done it."
他想为他的兄弟掩饰 He was trying to cover for his brother.
后来，我记得，他就改变了想法 Later, as I recall, he changed...
他说： because he said:
“如果我上庭做伪证 "If I get down there and perjure myself...
“也无能为力了，他们已经认定了案子” "there's nothing that they can do because they've got the case."
我觉得他就是这么想的 This is the way I think that he thought.
“他们已经知道是我弟做的 "They know that my brother did it.
“如果我再上去说谎，他们会因作伪证抓我 "If I get up there and lie, they are going to have me for perjury.
“我就得和他一块坐牢，这没什么好处 "I'll be in the penitentiary with him, and it ain't going to do any good...
“所以我还是不去作证了，我什么都不会说” "so I just ain't going to testify. I ain't gonna say nothing."
这样他就收回了他的故事 So he backed off of his story completely...
亚当斯就没有证人了 and Adams was left without any witnesses.
她原本的证词是在案发后15到20分钟内做的... Her in-court testimony and her original statement...
应该是最准确的 which should be the best.
这应该就是最佳的目击者证词 You're talking 15 to 20 minutes after the killing.
但是她后来在法庭上说的，与之前说的相比 Should be the best eyewitness testimony she's got.
两者不吻合，完全对不上 It doesn't match. Doesn't match at all.
在法庭上，她说: In court, she testified...
男警察下车，她也下车 he got out of the car, she got out of the car.
她站在汽车后方的位置 She positioned herself at the back of the automobile.
在枪杀发生15分钟后，她原本的说法是... Her original statement, 15 minutes after the killing...
“凶手穿着有毛皮领子的衣服” "a fur-lined collar on the killer."
法庭上她却说，“可能是蓬松的头发” In court, "It might have been bushy hair."
那孩子作证说我那天穿了一件Levi夹克 The kid testified that I had a Levi jacket on...
那件有一样的领子，基本和这件一样 which is the same type collar, basically the same as this.
他在审前已经承认自己穿了一件带毛皮的大衣 He testified at pretrial that he had a fur-lined parka.
女警察已经告诉我们是谁杀人了 She's telling you who killed the man.
就是车里那个穿着毛皮领子衣服的人 One person in the car with the fur-lined collar.
司机头发蓬松的说法对他们来说很方便 Very convenient that the driver happened to have bushy hair.
她要做的就是看看他们给我拍的照片 All she's got to do is look at a picture they took of me.
但这并不是她原本的证词 But that is not her original statement.
毛皮衣领和蓬松头发之间的差别还是很大的 It's a hell of a big difference from "fur-lined collar" to "bushy hair."
这太疯狂了 It's crazy.
她经历了两周的内部调查 She went through two weeks Internal Affairs...
出来时，证词就变了 when she comes out, her testimony changes.
进去的时候她说一样，出来的时候就变另一样了 She goes in saying one thing, she comes out saying another.
一定发生了什么，是什么呢？ Something happened. What?
“我们刷新了她的记忆” "We refreshed her memory."
星期五下午，我记得那是复活节圣周五 Friday afternoon, I think it was Good Friday...
我们下午回到法庭 we came back in the courtroom that afternoon...
我们都是兴高采烈，因为我们觉得... and we were sort of elated because we thought...
“他肯定没事了” "He's gonna walk."
基本上没有任何证据 And there's nothing really in that evidence.
只有小大卫·哈里斯，没人相信他 There's just little David Harris, and nobody believes him.
直到进了法庭之前，我们都是 And so we were very optimistic about his chances...
非常乐观的 until we walked into the courtroom...
突然出现这些人站在席前 and here were all these people standing in front of the bench.
有三个人 Three of them, anyway.
他们在发誓作证人 They were taking the oath to be sworn as witnesses.
米勒夫人在最后一天下午上了证人席 Mrs. Miller got on the stand that last afternoon.
她说，“就是那个人，我看见他了！ And she said, "That's the man, I saw that man!
“就在他射杀警察的时候... "I saw Randall Adams' face just right after..."
“我看到了他把枪伸出车窗... She said, "I saw the gun sticking out of the car...
“我看到了兰德尔·亚当斯的脸，就是他” "when he shot that police officer. And that's the man."
她挥舞着手指，指着兰德尔·亚当斯 And she waved her finger right toward Randall Adams.
就是她让他被定罪 She's the one that got him convicted.
当我还小的时候，我想做个侦探 When I was a kid, I used to want to be a detective...
我看过所有电视上的侦探节目 because I used to watch all the detective shows on TV.
那时候电视上有很多波士顿·布莱基的电影 When I was a kid they used to show these movies with Boston Blackie...
他身旁总有个女人搭档 and he always had a woman with him.
我想做侦探的妻子，或者干脆做个侦探 I wanted to be a wife of a detective or be a detective...
所以我看了很多侦探故事 so I always watched detective stories.
我总是观察周围，因为说不定会发生什么 I'm always looking because I never know what might come up.
说不定我可以做些什么 Or how I could help.
我希望在有情况时能有所作为 I like to help in situations like that.
我真的是这么想的 I really do.
不管我去哪，总是有事件发生 It's always happening to me, everywhere I go...
经常有些杀人案或者其他的事件 lots of times there's killings or anything.
甚至就在我家附近，任何地方 Even around my house. Wherever.
我一直在观察，试着参与其中 I'm always looking or getting involved,
试着找出犯人和真相 to find out who did it, what's going on.
我到处打听 I listen to people.
去分辩谁在撒谎，或谁杀了谁... And I'm always trying to decide who's lying, or who killed who...
在警察之前破案，看我能否胜过他们 before the police do. See if I can beat them.
就是这样 Yeah.
我和丈夫都在加油站工作 I was working at a gas station. My husband and I both.
我们处得不是很好 We weren't getting along well at all.
总是吵来吵去 We were arguing back and forth.
我们都不想回家，宁愿在车里吵 We didn't wanna go home, because we'd rather talk it out in the car...
这总比在家对着孩子们吵要好 than go home with the kids and fight.
那样还得听他们吵 Had to listen to them, too.
那天我们在吵架，决定去吃些东西 So we were really arguing, and decided to get something to eat.
就在那时，一个警察从饭店出来 About that time, a police came out of a restaurant...
在马路的右边 on the right hand side of the road...
他叫停了那人的车 and he went to pull the man over.
她转过身，用力的看，她看了 She turned around. She was looking hard. She looked.
我不认为她能看清楚那人，但她看到了 I didn't think she seen the guy, but she did.
因为我问她，“你在看什么？”我知道有什么不对劲 Because I said, "What you looking at?" I knew something had went wrong.
她说，“闭上你的嘴，开车” She said, "You just shut up and drive."
我对我丈夫说，“开慢点，这样我能看清楚” And I kept telling my husband: "Slow down so I can see."
他说，“别看了，我们赶紧走 He said, "Come on, we're getting out of here.
“就你好管闲事，你甚至不知道发生了什么” "You're too nosy. You don't even know what's going on."
我完全不知道有人将要被枪杀了 I had no idea that somebody was gonna get killed or shot.
所以我就开过去了 So I just drove on.
他不是喜欢惹事的人 He was one of these kind that didn't like getting involved.
他想赶紧走，让我闭嘴，转身别看了 He wanted to go on. He told me to shut up and turn around. Don't look.
我转身，但一直在看 I turned around and looked anyway.
但我们听到什么，像是引擎回火，或是爆竹 So we heard something, like backfire or firecrackers.
我们开过了桥，我想 And so we drove over the bridge, and I got to thinking.
我说，“嗯，这个时候怎么会有人放炮呢” I said: "Em, there're no firecrackers this time of the year."
我心里想： I was thinking to myself:
“不会是有人开枪了吧” "That couldn't be somebody shooting."
真的很黑，而且很冷 It was real dark, and it was cold.
很难看清楚车子里有什么 It was hard to see in that car.
但车窗是摇下来的。司机的车窗是开的 But his window was down. The driver's window was down.
所以我看的很清楚 This is how I got such a good look.
完全看不清车里有什么 I really couldn't see anything inside.
就只能看到...车窗上的影子之类的 It was kind of... shadows on the window and stuff.
可当他拉下车窗的时候，他的脸就露出来了 But when he rolled down the window, what made his face stand out so.
车子是深蓝色的 The car was dark blue.
他有胡子，上唇小胡子 He had a beard, mustache...
深脏色金发 kind of dishwater-blond hair.
但正如我说的，他上法庭的时候，确实看起来太不一样了 But, like I said, when he was in court, he sure looked a lot different.
就根据这些，我能说就是他 All I could just tell by this and this, that it was him.
我知道发生枪击了 I knew that there was some shots over there.
但我不想被卷入此事 But I didn't want to be involved in it...
因为西达拉斯是个有很多犯罪的街区 because West Dallas is a high-crime neighborhood.
是犯罪最高的之一 One of the biggest.
他比我要害怕的多 He was more scared of it than I was.
但确实，这很正常 But when you have black people like that...
这样的黑人，他们不会想被卷入 they don't like getting involved in nothing.
这样的事件中 That's just common.
像这种案件，最好什么都别看见，别听到 Like here, nobody wants to see nothing or hear nothing.
他们会默默呆在背景之中 And they'll stay completely in the background.
这就是为什么他们很难在这里找到 That's why they were having such a hard time there...
任何愿意站出来的人 finding anybody that would come forward.
因为这里是一个完全的黑人街区 Because it was in a totally black neighborhood.
她认为，看见别人做坏事就得说出来 She believe in, see somebody done something wrong she should tell it.
她已经举报过我 'Cause she told on me...
从埃尔帕索 a couple of times...
偷运毒品好几次了 that I was hauling drugs out of El Paso.
把警长叫来打开我的车厢 Called the sheriff down there, going to make me open my trunk.
我只好打开，但里面什么也没有 So I ended up opening it, but there was nothing in it.
老天 Good grief.
她是个好婊子，但一旦她发现你做错了什么，就把你出卖了 She's a ho, but she find out you done something, she turn you in.
米勒夫人在庭上说 Mrs. Miller had testified at the trial...
她从加油站的工作早退了 that she had gotten off early from her gas station job...
去接她的丈夫，给他的文书工作帮帮忙 and gone down to pick up her husband to help him with the bookwork.
我们发现她没有为加油站做任何记录工作 We found out that she was not doing any bookkeeping for that station...
因为两周前，她就因为欺诈，偷钱之类的事 because she had been fired from her job two weeks earlier...
被加油站炒掉了 for till-tapping, for stealing.
他们能有机会跟警察说上话的唯一原因是 The reason that they were talking to the police at all...
他们已经在公寓里大打出手三天了 was that there'd been a three-day running knife fight in their apartment.
因为酒后扰乱治安 And they were all booked...
包括持刀伤人之类的事 for disorderly and drunk behavior in there...
他们已经被登记在册了 including assault with knives, and all kinds of stuff.
他们被抓到局子里的时候，突然决定提供 When they were at the police station, they suddenly decided to volunteer...
他们看到的 all this information about what they had seen...
关于警察被杀一案的信息 about the police officer's killing.
一个妇女打电话给我 A woman called me at my home...
说她知道这个女人 and said that she knew this woman...
这个指证兰德尔·亚当斯的女人 who had testified and identified Randall Adams from a passing vehicle.
说的话没一句是真的 This woman had never told the truth in her life.
她告诉我，在庭审期间，她给地方检察官打电话 She also told me that she had tried to call the D.A. During the trial...
提供了证明那女人不可信的证据 and give this evidence that this woman was not believable.
如果他们要靠这个证词定罪，这个证词是不可信的 If their case hinged on this testimony, this was not believable testimony.
她们是渣滓，他们就是... They were scum. They were just...
完全的人渣 actually scum.
他是黑人，她是白人 He was a black man and she was a white woman.
他第二天来上班了 He came to work the day after.
告诉了我前一天晚上发生的警察枪击事件 He told me about the policeman that had gotten shot the night before.
那时候我还完全不知道这件事 And I hadn't heard anything about it.
我以为是另一个这种故事 And I thought it was another one of these stories.
然后他带着报纸来了 And he brings in these newspapers...
他说他什么也没看见，太黑了 and he says he didn't see a thing. He couldn't see nothing, it was dark.
他的脑子开始转了，想钱的事 Wheels started rolling in his head about money.
于是他就想出了这个点子 That's when he got the idea.
这是他的原话 Let me put it in his words.
为了钱，他会去作证 For enough money, he would testify...
说他们让他说的话 to what they wanted him to say.
他会说任何他们想让他说的话 He would say anything they wanted him to say.
他会看到他们想让他看到的 Or he would see anything that they wanted him to see.
这些都是他的原话 Those were his words.
令我震惊的是他真的做了 I was shocked that he did go ahead...
说他看见了枪杀现场 and get up and tell that he saw the actual shooting...
出来指证那个男孩，指认了他 and recognized the boy. Identified him.
我打电话给丹尼斯·怀特说，“那人在撒谎” That's when I called Dennis White. I told him, "That man's lying."
不可能有人视力那么好 Nobody has that good of an eyesight.
从他们所在位置是不可能看见警察中枪的 From where the policeman was shot and from where they were at...
就算用望远镜也不一定能看清楚 I doubt if you could have even seen them with binoculars.
我是个推销员 I'm a salesman.
我有一种全面记忆的能力 And you develop something like total recall.
地点，事件...我都不会忘 I don't forget places, things...
还有街道 or streets.
这就是我的习惯，是我自然养成的 Because it's a habit, something I just picked up.
我会使劲盯着人看，试着弄懂他们 I just stare intensely at people and try to figure them out.
我爱管闲事，就是喜欢盯着看 Being nosy, I just stare.
一天晚上，我从Plush酒吧出来 I was leaving the Plush Pub one night...
开着1977年版的凯迪拉克 driving a 1977 Cadillac...
朝西驶往汉普敦 heading west on Hampton.
我看到有一个警官把两个人拦到路边 I noticed an officer had two individuals pulled over...
他们开的是蓝色的... to the curb in a blue...
某款型号在车子 some type of vehicle.
是一辆蓝色的... It was a blue...
可能是蓝色的福特，反正是蓝色的 It was a blue Ford. It was a blue something.
司机留着长长的金发，还有小胡子 The driver, I think, had long blond hair and a mustache.
另外一个脸上没毛 And the other one didn't have no hairs on his face.
一个白人在晚上穿过那个地区 A person that is white going through that area at night...
那他会很扎眼，太显眼了 he's a sore thumb, he stick out for the first reason.
如果你看上去不对劲，那他们就会拦住你 And if they don't look right, they're gonna stop you.
那个警官向汽车走去 The officer, he walked up to the vehicle.
他的车就在身后 His car was behind...
我忘了它是在后面还是前面 I don't know if it was behind or in front...
可我知道他让车停下，朝那辆车走过去 but I know he had him pulled over, and he was up to the car.
我想他是朝车子走过去的，让我想想 I think he was up to the car. Let me think.
是的，他向车子走去 Yeah, he was up to the car.
他接近车子的时候我正好路过 As we was coming by he had to have been up to the car.
我没有看见子弹，没看见枪火 I didn't see no bullet. I didn't see no gunfire.
因为我已经开过去了 Because I went on.
现在有3个人指证了他 We have three people that testified and identified him...
就是伍德警官靠近车的时候 positively as being the driver at the time that Wood was walking...
正在开车的司机 right beside the car.
根据目击者，我们知道他就是司机 So we know that he was the driver from the witnesses...
我们也知道 and we also know...
是司机向伍德警官开的枪 that it was the driver that shot Officer Wood...
这是警官的搭档亲眼所见 coming from his partner.
只靠亚当斯自己的话 We couldn't have made a case...
论据是不够的 with the voluntary statement that we got from Adams.
我们要相信目击者 We had to rely on witnesses.
我们也正是这么做的 And this is what we did.
每个法官都知道，我们应该尽力... I always tried very hard, every judge I know of does...
不在法庭上感情用事 to not show emotion on the bench.
原因是，如果你显示出感情 The reason, if you do show emotion...
陪审团就会觉得你有所偏向 the jury might take it that you're favoring one side or another.
因此你要保持被动，无情，客观 So you try to remain passive, emotionless, objective.
但我得承认，在亚当斯这个案子里... I do have to admit that in the Adams case...
这事我没跟别人说过 and I've never really said this...
道格·穆德最终的陈述是我从没听到过的 Doug Mulder's final argument was one I'd never heard before.
关于警察做为一条“蓝蓝的细线” About the "thin blue line" of police...
为公众挡住乱世 that separated the public from anarchy.
我承认当我听到这段话的时候 I have to concede that there my eyes kind of welled up...
我的眼眶有点湿润了 when I heard that.
这确实让我有些情绪化，但我没有表现出来 It did get to me emotionally, but I don't think I showed it.
在那个时候 In death penalty cases...
要判死刑的案子，我们得搞清楚 we have a question, or we did at the time...
那个人是否是拥有一种危险的人格 of whether or not that person is of a dangerous mentality...
使他还有可能犯其他的罪 and might be expected to commit other crimes.
要回答这个问题 To answer that question...
达拉斯地方检察院会派精神病学家去被告的牢房 the Dallas District Attorney sends psychiatrists to the defendant's cell...
检查他是否有悔恨之心 to discover whether he is without remorse...
从而判断他是否是危险的精神病人格 and therefore is a dangerous and psychopathic personality.
当然，如果一个人... Of course, in the instance of a person...
根本没有犯罪，那他当然也不会显示出悔恨之心 who did not commit the crime, they're not going to show remorse.
两个精神病学家轮番上阵 There were two psychiatrists that appeared again and again.
霍布鲁克和格里格森，“杀人医生” Holbrook and Grigson, the "Killer Shrinks."
对这两人的批评一直不断 There was certain criticism directed against these two people...
因为他们登门拜访的唯一目的... because, in effect, whenever they showed up, the purpose of their visit...
就是要让被告死 was to kill the defendant.
4月15号，是缴税日 It was April 15th, tax day.
我想是时候把我的税缴清了 I think I was filling out my taxes at the time.
我怕会缴迟了 Afraid I might be late.
一个守卫走到门口来 A guard walks up to the door...
对我说，“外面有人想和你谈话” tells me, "There's someone out here who wants to talk to you."
我问他是谁，他说他也不知道 I ask him who it was. He said he didn't know...
是法庭命令我和他谈，我说，“好吧” but the court ordered me to talk to him. I said, "All right."
然后就来了一个鸵鸟样的高个男子 And here come this real tall, ostrich-looking dude.
他自称是格里格森博士 He introduced himself as Dr. Grigson.
他从衣服袋里拿出一本记事簿 He pulled a pad out of his coat pocket...
上面画着一条横线 that had a line drawn across it.
在记事簿的上半部分 On this pad, on the upper half...
他画了6个图 he had six images.
我记得有一个盒子，一个方块，一个里面有个菱形的圆 I will say a box, a square, a circle with a diamond in it.
我有点忘了...这有一段时间了 I don't... It's been awhile.
他把这张纸滑给我，又给我一支铅笔 He slides this piece of paper across to me and he hands me a pencil.
他说，“我去喝杯咖啡 He says, "I'm going to get a cup of coffee.
“请你把纸上的图案再画一份” "Please copy what's on this piece of paper."
我看着这家伙 I'm looking at this man.
我说，“什么意思？让我照原样再画一遍？ I said, "What? You want it copied just the same way you did?
“你是要让我改，还是想让我怎么做？” "Or you want me to change them around? What do you want me to do?"
他说，“随你想怎么做都行” He said, "Just do whatever you think you want to do."
说完他就走了 And he left.
于是，在纸的下半部分 So on the bottom half of this piece of paper...
我画了盒子，X... I made my boxes and X's...
还有里面带有菱形的0，就和他画的一模一样 and zeros with diamonds in it. Exactly like his.
他问我 He asked me...
“滚石不生苔是什么意思？” "What's the meaning of 'A rolling stone gathers no moss?"'
我看着这人 I'm looking at this man.
我说，“这是在开什么玩笑吗？你想干什么” I said, "Are you kidding? Is this a joke? What are you doing?"
他说，“不是玩笑，我真的想听听你的回答” He said, "No, I really want to know your answer to that question."
我说，嗯，“滚石不生苔” I said, well, "A rolling stone gathers no moss."
我说，“对我来说... I said, "To me...
“表示如果一个人不站在原地 "it would represent that a person that doesn't stand still long enough...
“别人就很难依靠他 "it's kind of hard for people to cling to him.
“如果他太躁动，别人就很难接近他’ "If he keeps moving around, it's hard to get close to him."
他摇了摇头 He shook his head.
他说，“二鸟在林，不如一鸟在手。又表示什么？” He said, "What about 'A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"'?
我说，“如果你已经拥有什么，为什么就为了... I said, "If you have a hold of something, why give it up...
“能得到一个稍微改进一点的机会，就放弃原有的？ "for a chance of getting something that might be a little better?
“这不合理，你应该知足常乐 "It doesn't make sense. You've got something good,
“为什么放弃原有的？ why let go of it?
“如果你能得到更多，那就去争取... "If you can get the other one, get it if you can...
“但是你不应该为了争取新的而放弃已经有的” "but don't let go of what you got to try to get something else."
他问了我的家庭 He asked about my family.
又问了问我的背景 He asked about my background.
然后他就走了 And he left.
我们大概聊了15，20分钟 Total time we had talked, maybe 15, 20 minutes.
格里格森博士在测试如果罪犯未来被释放的话 Dr. Grigson was up there testifying he would commit violent crimes...
是否还会暴力犯罪 in the future if he was released.
格里格森被称为“死亡博士”，因为99%的 Grigson is known as "Dr. Death" because he always testifies that way.
他作证人的案件 In about 99% of the trials...
他都会作证说... that he's been a witness for the prosecution, he always testifies...
被告未来还会继续暴力犯罪 that they will commit violent crimes in the future.
但你不可能预测一个人多年后会做什么 You can't tell what somebody's gonna do years from now.
做不到 Not really.
除非分析你过去的不良记录，这个谁都可以做 Except based on your past record, which anybody can do.
兰德尔是没有任何不良记录的 Randall never had any prior record.
据我们所知，他从没有任何暴力的历史 And as far as we know, he never had any history of violence whatever.
格里格森在庭上花了... Grigson testified for...
2个半小时作证，不停的说他的那些学位有多权威 two and a half hours about all these degrees he's got.
他去过这儿，去过那儿，在哪里做过研究... He's been here, and he's been there, and he's studied here.
他叫我查尔斯·曼森 He called me Charlie Manson.
他叫我阿道夫·希特勒 He called me Adolf Hitler.
他说我是那种... He said I'm the type of personality...
白天像个人样，晚上开始偷摸的性格 that can work all day and creep all night.
他作证说，格里格森... He testified, Grigson...
他说因为我的精神状况 that the future seriousness...
非常严重 of my mental state...
如果他们未来释放了我 would be such that if they released me...
我可能会发疯屠杀达拉斯一半人口 I would go crazy and probably butcher half of Dallas County.
尽管他只和我谈过15分钟 Even though he talked to me 15 minutes...
我没有前科，没有犯罪史 I have no prior convictions, no prior arrests...
我28年人生都没有动用过暴力 I was nonviolent for 28 years.
就这一次 On one instance...
我根本没做，但是就算做了也只是第一次 and that's saying if I did this, which I didn't...
他的意思是，这就够了...你这下半辈子都别忘了我 he's stating that, that's enough... For the rest of my life, watch me.
别背着我做什么。他只不过和我谈过15分钟而已 Don't ever turn your back on me. And he talked to me 15 minutes.
他是个疯子 He's crazy.
你能理解一个人为了生计 You can understand why a man might steal if he needs money...
可能去偷窃 to put food on the table.
我明白为什么17岁的男孩子如果没车开 I can understand why a 17-year-old boy who doesn't have a car...
可能会去偷车 would steal one to ride around in.
我也明白为什么海洛因上瘾的想要海洛因 I can understand why the heroin addict needs heroin.
但是一个人要去杀警察，那就很难理解了 But it's very hard to understand why anybody has to kill a police officer.
这完全没有必要 It just doesn't have to be.
我睡觉时，闭上眼就想 When I'm asleep and I close my eyes and think...
“他为什么要这么做呢？ "Why would he do it?
“他没有任何能让他杀人的背景动机 "He had no background that would lead to murder...
“没有理由去杀人啊” "no reason to commit a murder."
我看了已有的事实然后我说... And I look at the facts of the case and say...
大卫·哈里斯知道车子是偷来的，知道枪在那 David Harris knew the car was stolen, knew the guns were there...
而且知道枪也是偷来的 knew the guns were stolen...
有一连串的犯罪记录 was on a crime spree...
在偷车和偷枪之前就有犯罪记录 had had a criminal record prior to stealing this car and these guns.
他完全有理由杀人 He was the one that wanted to commit the murder...
并逃离现场 and get away from the scene.
他才是那个在杀人之后 He was the one that, after the murder was committed...
直接回家，又向朋友吹嘘的人 went right back home and bragged about it to his friends.
我看完了所有证据 I looked at all the evidence...
我相信大卫·哈里斯才是真正凶手 and I found that I believed that David Harris committed murder.
而陪审团看了同样的证据 The jury looked at the same evidence...
却认定兰德尔·亚当斯是凶手 and found they believed that Randall Adams committed murder.
而他们的判决才有效 And it was their verdict that counted.
摊上这么一个地方检查官 You have a D. A...
他从来不讲 he doesn't talk about...
什么时候定罪，怎么给你定罪 when they convict you or how they convict you...
他只关心要怎么杀死你 he's talking about how he's going to kill you.
他才不管你是不是无辜的 He don't give a damn if you're innocent.
他不管你是不是有罪，只是想杀你 He don't give a damn if you're guilty. He's talking about killing you.
你麻木了，你... You get numb. You get...
这就像个噩梦，你想醒来，可你做不到 It's like a bad dream. You want to wake up, but you can't do it.
每天我要听15至20遍 Fifteen times, 20 times a day, I hear this same story...
关于人是怎么电击致死的 about what happens when a man is electrocuted.
他的眼球突起 His eyeballs pop out.
手指甲突起 His fingernails pop out.
脚趾甲也一样 His toenails pop out.
七窍流血 He bleeds out of every orifice he's got.
他们不在乎 They don't care...
他们就是不在乎 They don't care.
他们在乎的就是怎么杀死你 All they want to do is talk about how they're going to kill you.
他们关心的，谈论的只有这个 That's the only thing that they cared about and talked about.
到这个节骨点，他们就只想要这个 At that point, that's all they're wanting.
我不知道他后来怎么样了 I didn't have any idea what happened to him.
作完证之后，我就走了 After I testified, I was gone.
我没把这事太放在心上 I never really concerned myself with it.
也许我也不想知道，不知道 Maybe I didn't want to know. I don't know.
我对结果没有什么兴趣 I didn't have any interest in knowing...
要不我就自己去问了 otherwise I might have tried to find out.
丹尼斯提出了重申的动议 Dennis filed the motion for a new trial...
然后我们又提出了更改的动议 then we filed an amended motion for a new trial.
20天之后，我们要对此举行听证 About 20 days later, we were to have a hearing on it.
罗伯特·米勒和他的妻子都在那作证 Both Robert Miller and his wife testified there.
可我们不能提... But we could not bring out the fact...
他们说过他们要的是那笔奖金 that they had said that they were gonna get that reward money...
还有他们根本不在乎有没有看见什么 and that they didn't care whether they saw anything or not...
他们的车窗早被雾气遮挡了 but their car was too steamed up.
我们不被允许提这些事 We were not allowed to get any of that in...
因为这属于对证词的弹劾 because it was held that it was impeaching testimony...
现在再提这些已经晚了 and therefore it came too late.
我们做的都是无用功 We kept running into blank walls.
一个达拉斯晨报的记者 A reporter from the Dallas Morning News...
发现在庭审结束后一周 discovered that one week after the trial was over with...
这个女人的女儿因抢劫罪上了法庭 the daughter of this woman had a robbery case in this court.
她刚好就在女儿有可能 She offered her testimony...
被关一辈子监狱的时候，提供了这种证词 at a time when her daughter was in danger of going to jail for life...
把她女儿捞了出来 and got her daughter out of jail.
同一个法官，就在第二周... How can you believe her...
把她女儿抢劫案驳回了。你怎么可能相信她说的话？ when the very next week the same judge dismisses that case?
只要有利可图... The Millers are the kind of people that would do anything...
米勒夫妇是什么都敢做的 if there was something to be gained...
比如为了防止女儿因持械抢劫入狱 such as her daughter not being sent to the penitentiary for armed robbery...
或者单纯为了钱 or for money.
那天我上庭的时候，发现检察官精明的很 When we went to court that day, the District Attorney was hard-nosed.
不让我回答任何问题 Wouldn't let me answer any questions.
他会问我问题，然后很快就打断我的回答 He'd ask me questions, but then he'd cut me off real short.
然后就说开始我多管闲事 And that's when he said something about my big fat nose.
如果我不管他们的事 If I'd kept my big fat nose out of their business...
米勒夫妇就会过的好一点 the Millers would be better off.
当我要离开法庭时 When I started to leave out of the courtroom...
他开始大笑，仿佛在说： he started laughing, like:
“你来这什么用都没有” "Didn't do you any good to get up here."
确实没用，完全没帮上被告的忙 It really didn't. Didn't help the guy at all.
我所能记得的... To the best of my recollection...
我和亚当斯先生之间的简单谈话... the brief conversations I have had with Mr. Adams...
确实很简短 and they have been brief...
我记得我根本没有问过他，他也没告诉过我 I don't even recall ever asking him, or my having told me...
他是无辜的 that he did not do it.
因为，我的目的是代表他上诉 Because, for my purposes, representing him on appeal...
与他是不是无辜完全无关 it's totally irrelevant.
当得州的刑事上诉法庭 When the Court of Criminal Appeals of Texas...
以9－0的票数击败我们的时候，我有些沮丧 voted 9-0 against us, I was a little upset about that.
我觉得，一：我们应该获得胜利 I felt we, A: Should have won...
二：就算输也不会输得这么惨 B: Certainly shouldn't have been slapped so hard...
我们的得票为零 with the unanimous decision against us.
我和我的家人在一个冰淇淋店 I was with my family in an ice-cream parlor...
与法官一家不期而遇 and the judge and his family happened to come at the same time.
他走过来，说... And he came over to me and made the comment...
“在亚当斯的案件上，刑事上诉庭... "I see where the Court of Criminal Appeals gave me an 'A'...
“给我的打分是‘A’” "in the Adams case."
我们的州最高法院... Our highest state appellate court...
奥斯汀的刑事上诉庭维持了判决，投票9－0 the Court of Criminal Appeals in Austin affirmed the case, 9-0.
但在美国最高法院被驳回了，投票8-1... Then it was reversed by the United States Supreme Court, 8-1...
当上诉庭翻案的时候 When the Appellate Court reverses a case...
他们的意思并不是说法官犯错了 they are never saying the trial judge was right or wrong.
他们只是不同意法官的看法 They are saying they disagree with the judge.
比如在亚当斯的案子里，你不能说... You can't, for instance, in the Adams appeals...
上诉法庭判决我错了 say the appellate courts were saying I was right or I was wrong.
毕竟在奥斯汀... After all, if in Austin...
在我们的州上诉庭，我是对的，9－0 in our state appeals court, I was 9-0 correct...
而在华盛顿，我以1－8被判错了 and in Washington, I was 1-8 incorrect.
如果你看总票数，我是10－8赢了的 If you tally all those votes, I come out 10-8.
然而这个案子还是翻了案 Yet the case was reversed.
最高法院的八个法官是最先认同我的人 Eight justices of the Supreme Court were the first people to agree with me.
同意那个判罚的唯一的几个人 They're the only people anywhere that ever agreed about that statute...
就是最高法院的八位法官 were eight justices of the Supreme Court.
在最高法院驳回判决的当天... The Dallas Morning News had a very nice front-page story...
也许是第二天... either the same day...
达拉斯晨报就在头版刊登了一件事 or the day after the reversal was announced by the Supreme Court...
说地方检察官亨利·韦德 in which Henry Wade, the District Attorney...
宣誓要重申兰德尔·戴尔·亚当斯 vowed a retrial of Randall Dale Adams...
因为他无法容忍杀了警察的犯人 because there was no room in his book for a cop-killer...
逃脱死刑的惩罚 getting off with anything less than the death penalty.
我铭刻在心，心想我的机会终于要来了 I took that to heart. I thought I was going to get my chance.
但是由于某些不为人知的原因... For reasons that were never really made public...
韦德先生请求州长把亚当斯先生... Mr. Wade requested the governor to commute...
从死刑改判为终身监禁 Mr. Adams' death penalty to life...
这样他们就不用因为最高法院的驳回 and that eliminated the possibility of a retrial...
而重审了 based on the reversal.
我完全被震惊了 I was absolutely shocked.
这时候我只能想... I can't help but believe...
他们这么做的动机就是 that some of the motivation behind that decision...
他们害怕 was a fear that...
亚当斯在复审的时候被平反 Adams may be vindicated at a retrial.
我只是觉得他们判了冤案，但却不知道为什么 I just felt they prosecuted the wrong person. I don't know why.
我觉得那些警察，达拉斯或者维多的警察... I felt that some policeman, whether in Vidor or in Dallas...
看上了目标就去起诉，把司法的车轮... made a decision to prosecute and set the wheels of justice in motion...
推向了错误的方向，速度太快，没人来得及阻止 in the wrong direction and they got going so fast no one could stop them.
因此我觉得我应该阻止他们，但我没做到 So I felt it was up to me to stop them and I didn't.
我觉得最高法院能纠正错误，但是... I felt it was up to the Supreme Court and they did what they could, but...
一切突然都乱了套，脱轨了 it's all gotten messed up and derailed again.
因为他的案子，我再也不参与刑事案件了 Since his trial, I have given up my practice of criminal law.
在我知道这个案子的陪审团判决之后... I have not had a jury trial...
我再也没有参与过任何陪审团审判 since I heard the verdict of this jury in this case...
我不想再参与了 and don't intend to.
我就是觉得... I just feel like...
还是把这些问题交给别人处理吧 I'll let other people handle these problems for a while.
因为如果司法是如此的不公平 Because if justice can miscarry so badly...
那我宁可做些别的 I'd rather do something else.
达拉斯的检查官有一种说法 Prosecutors in Dallas have said for years...
“任何检察官都能给一个罪犯定罪 "Any prosecutor can convict a guilty man.
“能给一个无辜的人定罪才是一个好检察官” "It takes a great prosecutor to convict an innocent man."
直到今天，我觉得穆德先生... To this day, I think Mr. Mulder...
相信给亚当斯定罪是他生涯的伟大胜利 believes that the Adams conviction was one of his great victories...
可能因为他对亚当斯是否真的犯罪还持保留意见 probably because of some reservations he has about Adams' guilt.
一天早上我接到一个电话，一位维多的女士 I got a call one morning, a lady here in Vidor...
被人用擀面杖打中头部 had been hit over the head with a rolling pin...
袭击者以为她已经被击昏了 and the attacker thought she'd been knocked unconscious...
但她其实还清醒 when, in reality, she wasn't.
她认出那个袭击者正是大卫·哈里斯 And she recognized the attacker to be David Harris.
他自己来了警察局 He voluntarily came to the police station.
我告诉他，“大卫，那女孩知道你是谁 I told him, "David, this girl knows who you are.
“你应该不用我告诉你 "I don't even have to tell you I know the truth.
“这次我完全知道事实吧” "You know I know the truth this time."
他说，“我错了，我吸了大麻，喝了酒 He said, "I was wrong. I smoked marijuana, I was drinking.
“我不知道什么原因，我只是一时冲动” "I don't know what got over me but something just came over me."
但有一点他没提，事件发生时他只穿了内裤 But he forgot to mention one thing, that he was only wearing underwear.
我觉得他的攻击是出于性的目的 I felt as though the attack was sexually oriented.
他从来不想承认这种事情 He never wanted to admit that...
据我所知，他到最后也没承认这个 and, as I recall, he never really finally admitted it.
他只是没有否认 He'd just get to where he wouldn't deny it.
他交了保释金，去了德国 He posted his bond and went to Germany.
我们接到一个案子，和他的作案手法很像 We had a crime with basically the same M.O. As his...
因此我要去找他，看他还在不在这里 and so it led me to want to check and see if he was in town.
我联系了军队的国际定位人员 I contacted the Worldwide Military Locator...
试着看能不能通过军队找到他 to see if, through the military, I could locate him.
找到了他，他那时已经入狱了 I did, and found out that he was in prison at the time.
他也不记得为什么入狱 He really didn't remember what happened.
他说他醒来时就被关起来了 He said he woke up in the stockade...
别人告诉他说，他打了自己的长官 and he'd been told that he beat up one of his ranking officers.
然后又有一个案子和他的作案手法雷同 We had another occasion to have a crime that fit his M.O. A lot...
于是我又开始找他，这次... so I started looking for him again, and this time...
在加州的监狱里找到了他 I found him in prison in California.
很不幸，我再次发现他还是没有改邪归正 So I realized again that unfortunately, he hadn't straightened up.
他还是到处惹事 He was still having a lot of problems.
我只有16岁 I was 16 years old.
从来没和司法系统那些玩意打过真正的交道 I really didn't have no real dealings with the court systems, etc.
不怎么知道它是怎么运作的 Didn't know how they worked, really.
我不懂法 Didn't know much about the law.
只是一个年轻的蠢小孩 Just a young, dumb kid.
警察告诉会告诉你这个时间，那个时间发生了什么 Police give you the time of this and the time this happened...
你就是按他们说的去推 and you just correlate from those events.
推算出什么时间发生了什么 You just estimate from that event what time it was.
你不知道 You don't know.
你只是随便猜猜 You're taking a guess.
警察告诉你，“这个案子是在12:30发生的 Police tell you, "It was 12:30 when this crime happened.
“你几点出的电影院？” "What time did you leave the movie?"
“我知道是午夜的时候 "I know it was somewhere around midnight.
“可能要早一点 我不知道 "It might have been before then. I don't know.
“我没戴手表” "I didn't have a watch on."
他非常详细的跟我过了一遍证词 He went over my testimony with me pretty extensively.
告诉我该怎么回答各种问题 How I should answer certain questions...
诸如此类的 things of this nature.
这就是所谓的“教唆证人” That's what you call "coaching the witness."
把这些证据按照最有效的方法排排序 Let's get this evidence in a spectrum where it's going to be most effective.
那时，我没想过那么多 At the time, I didn't really ponder on it...
但是他是在欺骗陪审团。他想要欺骗正义 but he was deceiving the jury. He wanted to deceive justice.
这就是为什么我觉得那个拿着天平的雕像... That's why I think that statue with the scales...
正义？她叫什么名字？我不知道她叫什么 Justice? What is she called? I don't know what she's called.
是蒙着眼的那个 She's got that blindfold on.
我们看不到背地里发生了什么 We don't see what goes on behind the closed doors.
其实我的车上有另外一个女人 I had another woman in the car.
我没告诉他们，我老婆会弄死我的 I didn't tell them about that. My wife'd kill me.
如果知道我和别的女人约会，她会拧掉我的脑袋 She would've tore my head off if she knew I was out with another woman.
如果是你，你会说么？ Would you tell?
实际上就是这样的，我在送她回家 That's what happened. I was trying to get her home.
驾驶员侧的窗户开着是因为... The driver's side was down because...
女士喝多了，恶心想吐 the lady was a little sick. She needed some air.
所以要呼吸点新鲜空气 Because she was pretty drunk.
那个，米勒夫妇，一黑一白 See, the Millers, one is black and one is white.
他们说我去...那晚我去的原因是... They said I was going with... The reason I was over that night...
说我是要去搞他的老婆 I was over there messing with this man's wife.
我才不想要和她搞一起，她又老又丑 And I ain't never gone with her in my life. She was too old and ugly.
就像我说的，地方检察官会为他们准备一些说辞 Like I said, the D.A. Will put something into their mouth.
整个故事可能都是他们预先编造的 They could have prefabricated the whole story.
他们完全可能这么做 They sure could have.
可我看见的确实只有这些 But what I saw is just what I saw. That was it.
如果他们收了钱，他们是为了作伪证收钱 So if they got paid, they got paid for lying.
他们已经决定在庭上怎么处理你了 They already decided what to do with you in the hall.
这就是他们说的正义法庭，天平就没端平 That's why they call it the Hall of Justice, the scales are not balanced.
天平在他们手里，是可以上下调整的 The scales are in the hall, and they go up and down.
他们可以帮你，也可以整你 They might go up for you, favor one way, they might go down against you.
如果地方检察官想把你关个15，20年 So if the D.A. Wants you to hang 15 or 20 years,
那你就得关着 you're hung.
在橙县我面临着好几项指控 I had all these charges still pending in Orange County.
我可能会被看作一个成年人 I could have been certified as an adult...
可能会被判终身监禁，我不知道 maybe given a life sentence. I don't know.
我才16岁，我当然不想那样 I'm 16 years old. I know I don't want that.
地方法院告诉我，“别担心那些罪名” That District Attorney told me, "Don't worry about them charges."
“我会让你的...辩护律师会问你... "I'm gonna ask your... Defense Attorney is gonna ask you...
你有没有为了让自己脱罪 "if you had any kind of deal...
与任何人达成过交易 "or anything of that nature...
来交换你在这个案子的证词 "in exchange for your testimony in this case...
或者任何类似的情况？ "as relating to those charges.
“不要回答‘有’，要说‘没有’” "Don't answer that 'Yes.' Answer it 'No."'
我丈夫，没有把那人看的很清楚 My husband, he didn't get that good a look at him.
他不不确定，因为警察叫来了一堆长得很像的人 He wasn't sure, because they put a bunch of them that looked alike.
大概有三四个人的头发都很蓬松 They had about three or four in the lineup that had bushy hair...
但是他的头发是梳整齐的，和谋杀案的不一样 but he had his combed down, different to what it was in the killing.
我当时没有选中他 I didn't pick him out right then...
因为我已经选了另一个头发蓬松的人 because I picked out this bushy-haired man.
据我所知有另一个证人是选中了他 I understand one other witness did pick out the man at the lineup.
我不确定，但我觉得就是他干的 I'm not sure, but I think he did.
当然我就那样把兰德尔·亚当斯指了出来 Of course I picked out Randall Adams just like that.
我不知道其他人是怎么选的 I don't know about the others.
他们当时应该也选了 Evidently they did at that time.
我就是跑了 I just took off.
离家出走的孩子... It's like, kids run away...
他们不会去想要住哪... they don't think about where they're going to stay...
要怎么吃饭，等等 how they're going to eat, all these things.
他们一辈子都过的衣食无忧 They had that roof over their head all their lives.
不会去考虑这些东西 They don't really think about those things...
直到你离开家了，才会发现，“我肚子饿了” till you get out there and you say, "My stomach's growling now."
或者，“外面太冷了。下雨了” Or, "It's getting cold out here. It's raining."
那时路面上结了冰 There was ice on the road.
我记得在我后面有一辆车开的相当快 I remember there was a car coming pretty fast up the road behind me...
他可能没有看见我 and didn't see me or something...
或者他是想并线，并到我的车道上 or was in one lane and came into the other lane and I was in that lane...
想让我停车，结果他的车直接冲出了马路 and tried to stop me. He went off the side of the road.
我记得他的车冲出了马路 I remember this car went off the side of the road.
我只是在回忆往事 I'm just looking back.
我记得这事 I remember that.
凌晨3:30，我在家接到一个电话 I got a call at my house about 3:30 one morning.
我部门的巡警打电话过来说 One of the patrolmen in my department called...
“我们逮捕了一个叫大卫·哈里斯的 and said, "We just arrested this boy named David Harris...
“他甚至不想告诉我们他的名字，他说他想和你谈谈” "and he won't even tell us his name. He said he wants to talk to you."
他们说了些很有趣的事，说他中枪了 They told me something that really made me interested. He'd been shot.
大卫一开始说， 他去了休斯顿的一间酒吧 David had initially told me that he had gone to a bar in Houston...
调戏一个年轻女士，惹怒了她的男朋友 and was flirting with a young lady and her boyfriend became upset...
他拿着一把手枪追打他，还开抢了 and chased him out with a pistol, shooting at him.
我们知道这是谎话 We knew that wasn't true.
我说，“大卫，我知道你在说谎 I said, "David, I know you're lying to me.
“我们都认识这么久了，我太了解你这个人 "We go through this all the time, all my dealings with you in the past.
“我还不知道你做了什么 "I don't know what you've done just yet.
“我知道你中枪了 "I know you were shot.
“我也知道你中枪的原因是做了不该做的事 "I know you were shot doing something that you shouldn't have been...
“我们知道你盗窃了枪店，还知道你酒后驾车 "we know you burglarized a gun shop. We know you were driving drunk.
“我们有能指认你和你的卡车的证人” "Got witnesses who can identify you, who can identify your truck."
我说，“你被抓了个正着，说实话吧” I said, "You're caught. So tell the truth."
然后大卫说，“好吧，是我杀了他” And David said, "Okay, I killed him."
他闯进了这家里，只有男的和女朋友在 Their home was entered while he and his girlfriend were there alone.
男人被他用枪顶着逼进了浴室 The man was sent into the bathroom at gunpoint and told to stay there.
大卫带着女孩准备走 David took the girl and was starting to leave.
那男的带着枪就从公寓追了出来 The man exited the apartment with a gun.
然后在近身距离，接近近身距离 The man fell to the ground, or near the ground...
被崩了两三枪，我不知道，也许更多 holding onto a pole there in the parking lot of the apartment complex...
抓着公寓停车场的柱子 and these last, whether it be two, three, or how many shots...
倒在了地上 I don't know, were fired at point-blank or near point-blank range.
大卫仍觉得这完全是那人的错... David thought that the one that was really at fault that night...
尽管他被杀了。他说，“这家伙疯了 was the guy that got killed. He said, "That guy's crazy.
“他拿枪追我” "He came after me with a gun."
我告诉他，“大卫，是先你闯进他家的... I told him, "David, you'd broken into his house...
“你绑架了他的女朋友，他能怎么做？” "you abducted his girlfriend, what was he supposed to do?"
他说，“那他也不该拿着枪出来 He said, "Man shouldn't come out with a gun.
“这家伙疯了，他该死” "That dude's crazy. He should have been killed."
当我们去找回凶器手枪时 When we went to retrieve the pistol...
我得从水里把它捞出来 I had to go into the water to get it.
那是个河口，杂草丛生，像一个蛇行地带 It was a bayou and it was grassy, snaky-looking area.
我在那待着并不舒服 I was not real pleased about being there myself...
但大卫很享受看我忙活找枪的过程 but David enjoyed watching me have to go down there and look for the gun.
我找了几分钟，他在桥上 I'd been searching several minutes, he was up on the bridge...
离我大概25尺远 and probably 25 feet from me...
指挥我找水里的枪 directing me to where he thought that the gun had landed in the water.
他被用手铐铐着 He was handcuffed.
路上的车开过来，他转过身 Traffic would come by, and he would turn around...
亮出手铐，喊道，“帮帮我！ and show them his handcuffs and holler at them, "Help me!
“警察要把我扔进水里淹死” "The officials will throw me in this water and drown me."
他就是不停的开玩笑，恶作剧 Just anything he could do to make a joke and cut up out there.
他完全就很开心 He was just really having a good time.
这孩子让我害怕 The kid scares me.
想像一下，达拉斯县可能就这样放走了他 To think that he could actually be out there, walking the streets...
让他逍遥法外 and Dallas County let him go.
这小子有7项罪名在他头上 The kid had seven crimes coming down on him.
持枪抢劫，枪击警察 He had armed robberies. He had firing on a peace officer.
私闯民宅，严重暴力 He had breaking and enterings, aggravated assaults.
谁知道他还干过些什么 God knows what all this kid had.
达拉斯县就为了他的证词，免了他所有的罪 And Dallas County gives him complete immunity for his testimony.
就把他给放了 Just lets him walk.
我妈说得好 My mom had a good phrase.
她说她第一次来达拉斯的的时候 She said the first night she pulled into Dallas, it was raining...
那晚电闪雷鸣 and that it was lightning.
他们进这个城市的时候 And they're coming into Dallas...
她说如果世上有地狱的话，那就是达拉斯了 and she said if there was ever a hell on earth, it's Dallas County.
她说对了 She's right.
和别人打交道的时候，有时候你会察觉到不好的气息 You deal with people who you sense bad vibrations, more or less.
你会觉得，这人不可能喜欢我，因为我是警察 You feel, this guy doesn't like me anyway because I'm a policeman.
你能感觉到些东西。或许我不该说这些 You can just kind of sense something. Maybe I shouldn't even be saying it...
因为警察不该靠感觉破案 because police shouldn't take these things to the bank.
但如果你经常和别人打交道，直觉能告诉你很多东西 When you deal with people over and over, you sense a lot of things.
和大卫说话，我从没在他身上感到过敌意 Talking to David, you don't ever feel hostile feelings coming from him.
他对我很亲切，礼貌... I have never seen David any way...
从来没见他失态过 other than cordial, friendly to me as he could be:
“是，先生”，“不，先生”，从来没有过不尊重 "Yes, sir." "No, sir." Never disrespectful.
我从没见过他坏的一面，我看了结果... I've never seen the bad side. I've seen the results...
我和他聊过这个，他自己是知道的 and I've talked to him about it, and he's aware of it.
他知道自己坏的一面 He remembers the bad side.
但我从没亲眼见过他犯罪 But I've never seen him committing a crime...
或者是暴力，易怒的一面 or in a violent or volatile state.
当他坦白自己的罪行之后 When his crimes were confessed to...
看起来，他在坦白之后的状态才觉得更舒服 he seemed to feel better and do better during those times.
他的父母告诉我，他在家里比以前好多了 His parents would tell me he would to do better at home...
他和城里的人，邻里朋友 he seemed to get along better with the people in town...
都相处的更好了 his neighbors and friends.
但谁也不知道为什么 But something happens to David...
我也想不通，他身上到底发生了什么 I don't know what it is. I don't know if anybody can put their finger on it.
他家里也没有其他迹象 But there's no other indication of anything in the family...
能让他做出这些事来 that would lead you to believe he had exposure to these activities.
据我所知，大卫至少有一个兄弟和一个姐妹 David's got at least one other brother and sister that I know of.
他有一个兄弟很多年前淹死了 And he had one brother that drowned numerous years ago.
那时我3岁 I was 3 years old...
我有一个4岁的哥哥 I had a 4-year-old brother...
在1963年淹死了 and he drowned in 1963...
我确信，就是在肯尼迪总统刚被刺杀之后 right after President Kennedy was assassinated, I believe.
就在那之后，那个夏天 Sometime right after that, during the summer.
我们那时住在哈里森街的博蒙特 We was living in Beaumont on Harrison Street...
我爸爸那时候在院子里修卡车 and my dad was working on his truck out in the yard...
妈妈在做家务，或者在做饭 and mom was in the house doing her housework or fixing dinner.
我和我哥，那时候有一个小水池 Me and my brother, we had one of these little blow-up pools...
我们常在那玩 and we were playing in that.
爸爸本该盯着我们的 My dad was supposed to be watching or keeping an eye on us or something.
我哥晃悠到了街上 My brother wandered off down the street...
有一家的后院有个游泳池 and these people had a swimming pool in their backyard...
他们年纪大了，从来没用过那个游泳池 and they were elderly people. They never used the pool.
那池子里应该有不少树叶和垃圾，不怎么干净 I guess it had a bunch of leaves and stuff in it.
他应该不小心掉进去，淹死了 And he, evidently, fell in there and drowned.
夜里有时候我会坐起来跟他说话，才发现他不在了 I used to sit up in my room at night and talk to him and he wasn't there.
这可能就是我心里的某种创伤吧 So that might have been some kind of a traumatic experience for me.
我猜我的爸爸... I guess my dad...
我不知道，他可能难以摆脱这件事的责任 I don't know, maybe he couldn't get rid of the responsibility...
或者是负罪感，我不知道是什么 or the guilt or something. I don't know what it was.
因为我还在，也许是我让他永远无法忘记这件事... I was there and I guess maybe I reminded him of that...
成长的过程中 all the time, growing up.
我很难获得他的任何认可 It was hard for me to get any acceptance from him.
后来我有了个弟弟 When my younger brother was born...
就好像他才是爸爸的最爱，我不知道 it was kind of like he was Daddy's favorite or something, I don't know.
不管发生什么，我想每个人的人生 Everybody's life is going to take some kind of path
都会走上不同的路 regardless of what happens.
我想我年轻时候干的很多事... I think maybe that a lot of the things I did when I was younger...
都是一种对他的报复 was an attempt to get back at him or something...
报复他对待我的方式 for the way he treated me.
但那什么用都没有，只是害了我自己 But I wasn't doing nothing but hurting myself.
1986年12月5日 大卫·哈里斯
接受了最后一次采访
依你之见亚当斯是不是一个
相当倒霉的人？
绝对是
如果不是走霉运
他不可能会经历这些
这个走霉运是指的是？
指的是很多事，你知道
取决于你如何看待它
就像前不久我跟您说起过的
那个流离失所的家伙...
如果他有落脚的地方，就绝对不会
无家可归，对吧？
你的意思是，如果他允许你
那晚在汽车旅馆过夜，
这一切就都不会发生？
很有可能，很有可能
听说过替罪羊这个谚语吗？
可能...有几千个无辜的人被定罪
可能还不止几千
为什么？
谁知道呢
他是清白的吗？
你问过他吗？
他一直都说他是无辜的
那就是这样
不相信他，是吗？
犯人总是撒谎
好吧，那你怎么看他是否无辜？
我想他是无辜的
你为何这么说？
因为我知道
警方把事情怪到他身上时，你感到意外吗？
他们并没有怪罪他
是我做的
一个被吓坏的十六岁小孩
他当然想尽可能地撇清责任
您认为警察相信了你吗？
毫无疑问
肯定的
他们一无所获，直到我给了他们一些情报...
我猜他们拿到那一点线索，就全部依靠这个了
他们相信你的话，你感到意外吗？
可能有点，我也不知道
我希望他们会相信我，知道吧
但在一切发生之后，
确实是有点不可思议
但也就这样了
我一直在想...如果
能给兰德尔·亚当斯入狱
这事找到一个原因的话
这大概是因为那天晚上
他没能给一个帮了他的人...
提供一个住处
这导致他变成现在这样
可能就是这个原因
这可能是让他身陷囹圄，唯一的，全部的原因
兰德尔·亚当斯被判终身监禁
目前正在得克萨斯州，拉弗雷迪市的伊斯汉监狱服刑
大卫·哈里斯因1985年的马克·沃尔特·梅斯谋杀案被判死刑
在得克萨斯州，亨茨维尔的伊利斯监狱等待执行
达拉斯警官罗伯特·伍德被害，已经过去了11年
翻译：Fanxiang